BBC launches HILARIOUS "disinformation" department to keep you safe | Redacted with Clayton Morris

Well, the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation, the Bastion of Journalism- is going to make us all aware about all of the misinformation and disinformation that is being fed to us on a daily basis. The BBC is now going to lead the charge on this. They've set up a new verified department at the BBC so you can trust what they say and they will keep this information away from you. Here was the announcement from Mariana spring. She made the announcement in the BBC's Newsroom. Take a look: our team of investigative journalists here at the BBC. Show more

We are also a new brand and we are physical location Above The Newsroom in London, and the point of the team, as you said, is to verify video, to fact check, to counter this information and to analyze really complex stories so we can get to the truth of what's going on. Why does this matter? Well, mistruths can cause really serious harm to society and to the people in them, and so we want to show you our workings and really help you understand how we get to the bottom of what's Happening. I have some undercover accounts that I've set up for the BBC's americast podcast, and we use these kinds of undercover accounts- and these are the characters that the accounts are belonged to, to be able to really understand polarization online and how what's happening on our social media feeds and what we're being recommended and pushed to us can affect all of us, and they don't offer us a totally exhaustive insight into what's going on, but they can help us understand just how social media Works. Meanwhile, the excellent journalist founder of the gray zone, max Blumenthal, has been all over the story, calling out the hypocrisy of Mariana spring and the BBC's verify program. This move to try to keep us away from disinformation, and Max Blumenthal joins us now from the gray zone. Max, good to see you. Show more

Good to see you, Clayton, and welcome back to the show. So when this announcement was made, what was your first response? Because there's a assorted relationship between the BBC, or Marietta spring specifically, and the gray Zone. What was your, your first thought on this? Well, I'd learned about Mariana spring from various intelligence linked plots to discredit and simply destroy alternative Independent Media Outlets like ours that we exposed in the past, and so I wasn't shocked to see her. The BBC's first so-called disinformation reporter gained this new show, which exists above the BBC's actual Newsroom, as if she Towers over it. It's obviously a special initiative, and maybe many of the people toiling down there and their cubicles don't quite understand what it is, but to me it looks like the use of the BBC to house an intelligence operation that's aimed at furthering the objectives of British foreign policy and also, you know, State policy toward dissidents. Mariana spring is sort of a censorious personality. Show more

She back in 2020- I think it was she- created a series of fake accounts that, quote unquote, engaged with hateful content in Facebook and Instagram forums, and the point was, to the point of this was to increase State monitoring and pressure on Facebook to censor more, and she claimed that these accounts, while engaging with misogynistic hate, were then recommended more misogynistic content. She never really explains what the hate was or what qualifies hate, and she said she was triggered to do this project or motivated to do it, because she herself encountered misogynistic hate online. She then moved on to Target the anti-lockdown protests across Europe and serially and wildly misrepresented the size of these protests to paint them as a few, a handful of isolated extremists. Show more

She participated in panels that we exposed as actually state-sponsored initiatives that were claiming to counter covid-19 misinformation. These were covertly backed by the British culture Ministry through the Royal Institute run by then Prince Charles, now King Charles and involved using online influencers to attack and supposedly de-radicalize people who questioned the covid-19 restrictions, which we Now understand. Show more

You know that. We Now understand that the critics and the Skeptics got it right, but the point here is that Mariana spring was always cropping up whenever the state, the British State, needed someone to advance censorious initiatives, and you know, then, of course, she turns up in leaked emails that we exclusively obtained at the gray Zone relating to a plot, a plot involving high-level intelligence operatives in the British government to attack and destroy the gray Zone. Show more

Yeah, let's go through those emails. And I saw a tweet where you, specifically, are asking Mariana spring if she ever followed through with certain meetings she was reached out to by, I think, British journalist Paul Mason and a part of his plot right to to smear investigative journalists and the likes of the team at the gray Zone, and you asked her specifically in these leaked emails: had she ever followed through on that reply or on whether or not she went on these meetings? It doesn't look like she replied to you, but do you have any evidence or any knowledge that she did then meet with these individuals, and why her? Show more

Why, why were they reaching out to her? Well, this all relates to one of the biggest stories we've ever broken at the gray Zone, which is that Paul Mason, who is one of the most famous supposedly left-wing journalists in the UK, who presented himself as sort of the the media liaison to the Jeremy corbyn leadership campaign in labor, was actually a State security collaborator who was working with a figure in the British foreign office, Andy price, whose job it was to promote State propaganda under the guise of Independent Media and to take down media that challenged British foreign policy. Show more

So Paul Mason didn't like us because and targeted us. It wasn't that he didn't like us, he obsessively hated us because we were tearing to shreds the propaganda around the Ukraine proxy war and NATO's expansion and we were going at him online after he, you know, denounced us and so he went to his buddy, Andy price. Show more

Who is this, this major information warrior in the British government, the British foreign office? I would say he's close, he's an intelligence officer and he said: let's get a meeting together of all of the people we work with in Media and have an anti-gray Zone Summit and take down the gray Zone and we'll start by having Twitter. List them- this is under when Twitter was under its old regime list them as a Russian State affiliated website, even though we have no connection to Russia, never did, financially or otherwise. And he said: let's invite Mariana spring from the BBC. It wasn't him, it was another intelligence operative named Emil Khan- said: let's invite Mariana spring from the BBC. And I remembered this when her BBC verify project just launched this week- that she was suggested to participate in the attack on the gray Zone. So I asked her: you know, did you ever go to this meeting and what exactly is your relationship with the British intelligence services like? Of course, there was no response from her. Guess what her response was? I am being bombarded with hate and misogyny and this hate must be condemned and that's why we need this project. It's like anything. Any criticism of me is of literal violence and I'm not going to respond to legitimate criticism and real questions that the public has about my journalistic credibility. Right, it's. It's like Nina jankowitz 2.0, the misinformation governance board from the Department of Homeland Security. Show more

Didn't they learn their lesson? So, yeah, so she responds with. I'm being bombarded with abuse, misogyny, defamatory claims, misunderstanding my investigations into harm caused by mistruths and trolling the harm that's been caused by mistruths. She specifically talks about going after conspiracy theories and mistruths. Do we know what these conspiracy theories are? Because? Is it related to covid? All of the stuff that she was apparently against has all come true, and I would love to know specifically what these mistruths and conspiracy theories are. Do you have any insight into that? As usual, she doesn't say. Show more

Conspiracy theory is a completely subjective term that is most frequently used by the NATO, people connected to the NATO or financial establishment in the collective West as a stand-in for any discussion or debate that they want to isolate, censor or silence because it contravenes or interrupts their objectives. It's the same term they use for distance. They use disinformation interchangeably with conspiracy theories, and so much of what they call this information often turns out to be true or contains grains of Truth which demand a more a a a more serious and direct public debate. And the public senses that they're using censorship instead of debate because they can't actually engage directly with these ideas that are so threatening to them, and that they're using democracy, liberal democracy, as a false veneer, a patina for an autocratic regime, whereas, you know, you have countries like China or Russia, which will just outright censor on the grounds of National Security, but in the west they have to maintain the veneer of liberal democracy. Show more

So they bring in figures like Mariana Springer, Nina jankowitz, to create the, the, the momentfor the state to come in, and then start removing accounts. And then where do they do it? They do it in our new digital Commons, which is, which are these privately owned Outlets controlled by Silicon Valley oligarchs? And it all depends on the relationship between those oligarchs and those and the state. And that's why they're so frustrated about Twitter. Because Elon Musk has said: you know, I don't want any relationship with the Biden Administration, I don't like them, I want an alternative regime. Show more

And so they have to destroy his platform because they can't do what they did with the old Twitter leadership, which is to say, hey, we're just going to Pal around with you, give you some favors and you censor the accounts that we want. And we know now, through the Twitter files or through the lawsuit by The Missourian attorney general, that Twitter was taking direction from the Biden White House on which accounts to censor, including, like an Anthony fauci parity account. So Mariana spring is just taking this to the next level. The next level is going after Twitter as a entire platform. Show more

Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that. Well, I know I'll be tuning into the BBC to get all of my truthful, truthful news going forward. The disinformation verified program. We'll be watching it closely and we'll see how long it lasts, actually to see if the BBC pulls the plug sooner, just as quickly as the Department of Homeland Security did with the Nina jankowitz program. I'm glad you raised that question, Clayton, because I don't think it's going to last that long. The public is up in arms. Yeah, it seems like I. I can't imagine that this lasts longer than the weekend, but maybe I'll be shocked. I'll be shocked next week if it's still around and if Mariana still has her High, lofty job at the BBC Above The Newsroom. One website that I read every day- it's a must read website, one of the really the standard in journalism- is the gray Zone. I encourage all of you to subscribe. Make sure you go over and support independent journalism and what the team at the gray Zone does. Max Blumenthal, great to see you, as always. Thanks a lot, Clayton. Show more

I mean I really wish that these news organizations like the BBC would work more on information right and disinformation. It's amazing. That's your job. When I first saw this story, it reminded me of back when. Do you guys remember this, Philip David? Show more

Do you guys remember- and let me know in the chat room if you remember this too- back in the day, when social media kind of burst onto the scene, right, Twitter just started and you know, people were trying to- and all these newsrooms like CNN and everything they were trying to figure out like how to use, how to have like Twitter incorporated into their broadcast so they like they, they started hiring social media correspondence and they would like like we're gonna check in now with Sally, she's in our other, she's in our social media Studio. Like what are people saying about what? I did that during the 2008 election? Show more

Yeah, they made you do that. I did that for the, for the 2008 Obama did you get election? Yeah, yeah, but it's just CBS, it just reminds me of this. Yeah, you'd get like written articles that were just it's entirely tweets and like the only thing that the, the author, actually put in there was like: and then such and such said and yeah, yeah, and then, and you know, just like, you're just like endless tweets. Yeah, worst, it was the worst. And now this right, so now this is the new thing from these newsrooms. It's like, it's like Brian stelter at CNN, it's like reliable sources, you know, and we're gonna have this disinformation Department inside each of these newsrooms. Show more

Now, like Fox News, we learned a good chunk of their investigative unit was just fired. So, according to reports- and I think the daily the New York daily news then confirmed at least a portion of it- or fox said, well, it wasn't the whole department, but so they're getting rid of like their good journalists, like investigative journalism, right in favor of now, this is the kind of stuff we're seeing, like the BBC government narrative: yeah, like now we're going to have a disinformation department. Maybe Fox will fire those people and then they're gonna have- maybe they will, maybe they won't- they'll have their own disinformation team that's going to be like in charge of stories. Perhaps I don't know, but I feel like- because the word conspiracy has lost a lot of its weight, given that a lot of the conspiracy theories around kovid ended up to be real conspiracies and that continues to happen time after time- that people don't- you know, they can't hit at each other quite so much anymore with this word right, this information, you're just a conspiracy theorist about covid. That people said to us here, like three years ago, two years ago, and then what all of it came true. Yeah, so that we're like, okay, thank you then. Thank you for calling me that. I'm glad that you want to call me names, that's fine. Anyway, I just love this. Show more

It's so funny. How long do you guys think that this lasts at the BBC the disinformation department, and how long do you think that she has the job? Let us know in the chat, I wonder, do people say these things to you in your life like, oh, that's misinformation? Because if someone said that to me, I would laugh in their face and be like, no, let's talk about the merits of what we're talking about, nuts, not use these throwaway terms like conspiracy and disinformation. Like you got it, those are propaganda terms. Like you got a new debate with the friend of yours, back and forth over text messages. Anyway, I won't go into the details of it, but you had, you had a conversation back and forth. Yeah, right, and, and it was respectful and it was respectful. But, yeah, if someone were to come up, be like that's missing from and you can just label somebody that and then it shuts down conversation like that's, it's basically- yeah, it's basically the conversation that crystal ball had with RFK. Like that is disinformation, fighting information. They don't want any information from the person or any details. It's just no, that's misinformation, that's disinformation. Yeah, I just had such a problem with that word and I refuse to use it because there's nowhere that says information has to be true, information has to be consumed and then processed, and then we decide if it's true or not. Information by itself is not necessarily true, and so to add a dis or a Miss is on, is it's unnecessary. Don't forget now, I don't like that one either. Yeah, I don't use those words. I don't use those throwaway words that I think shut down conversation. I will never say you're racist, conspiracy theorist. Show more

I will never say misinformation, and I will never say anti-vaxxer, and I will never say you're a racist. Yeah, can I point out? You just said all those, okay, but but if I can't, if I can't just like, make your call your argument disinformation, then that means I have to have a counter argument and evidence, and that's work, yeah, yeah, you can do that, right, it's easier. Just to use one word: you're racist, and then, wow, man, you really told that person. Yeah, I did. Now I don't have to debate that person, right? Thank you so much for watching this segment. Here at redacted, we are live every day at 4 pm eastern time, trying to share the stories that the mainstream media will not cover. You should also come over and join our community of redacted rebels over at redactedinc. That's our private locals Community, where we can share exclusive content that we simply cannot share here on YouTube. Come over and join the Rebellion together right now by going to redactedinc. We'll see you next time. Show more